The Eurofighter Typhoon beat the F22 in real tests!

[F22Ownage]

Perhaps look into "Air Forces Monthly - January 2007" also:

"The MoD said it would not be putting Typhoons up against the Indian Airforce Su-30s as a one on one fight. However, it did happen and there is HUD video to prove it. Apparently two inexperienced Typhoon pilots returned with big grins on their faces, the Su-30s were toasted, all the Su-30's air display antics amounted to nothing, the Typhoons proved too nimble and too powerful for the Russian aircraft. The Typhoons were also not clean configured.
During the Typhoon's visit to the US in 2005 it was pitted againt the F-22, this was not officially confirmed. The Typhoon could not see the F-22 but could detect that it was being painted by the F-22 and took "appropriate" measures with defensive aids. In one on one combat the Typhoon did the same job as on the Su-30, the F-22 could not handle the Typhoons close in and were shocked. It did not go all the Typhoon's way but the Americans had a sobering encounter, with the F-22 sacrificing much for stealth"........................

- Needs to check quote first, but try to look into it........

To end all the lies and rumors that have been going around the internet, I will qoute what REALLY happened at Nellis with f-22's vs Eurofighters. IT NEVER HAPPENED...... Yes the EF's were there, training side by side with raptors to work on new tactics for air to ground tactics. Ef doing the strioke sorties, while F-22's supplied Air dominance. They DID NOR fight against each other...

Qoute:

"Recent "Red Flag" air combat exercises at Nellis Air Force Base have been dominated by the F-22 again. After a two-decade development program and tons of criticism about its price tag, the F-22 is proving to be worth every penny. However, the real process that will make the F-22 dominate in the air was not so much the lengthy gestation and development of the F-22 by the United States Air Force, but what is going on now.

Through exercises like Red Flag, American pilots are learning how to apply the F-22's strengths in combat situations. This is an old process, and has happened before. For example, back in early 1942, the Japanese Zero was considered the best naval fighter plane in the world. Often, U.S. F4F Wildcats were shot down when they tried to dogfight. However, Navy and Marine pilots eventually began to learn how to use the strengths of the F4F through tactics like the Thach Weave, and eventually, the Wildcat was able to hold its own against the Zero. It worked, but it was expensive in terms of planes – and more importantly, pilots – lost in battle.

The breakthrough in learning a plane's weaknesses and strengths in combat without the heavy losses began after studies during the Vietnam War indicated that a pilot's chances of survival increased after the first ten missions he flew. Today, the mistakes made in those missions don't get made on the battlefield, they are made during a training exercise like "Red Flag" or the navys "Top Gun". The razzing from fellow pilots and the resulting embarrassment might be tough to deal with, but it beats being shot down.

The exercises are also showing just how good of a plane the F-22 is. In hundreds of simulated engagements against multiple aircraft like the F-15 and F-16, the F-22 has dominated. Still, keeping in mind how the "inferior" F4F was able to hold its own against the Zero, the Air Force has been emphasizing the ability of the F-22s to work together with not just F-22s, but other planes. The latest exercises featured the F-22 working with Tornados, Typhoons, F-15s, F-16s, F-111s, and F-117s.

The Air Force has been serious about making the F-22 the best fighter in the world, and addressing the issues that come with it. With the R&D costs recouped, new F-22s will be more affordable to build as long as the production line is running. That is the only question about the F-22's future."

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-7549.html

[Rome]

LOL, F22Ownage refuse to acknowledge the F-22 lost to the Typhoon, his argument is...........he has none, he is in a state of denial. OEU trials is the name of the game

[F-22ownage]

LOL, F22Ownage refuse to acknowledge the F-22 lost to the Typhoon, his argument is...........he has none, he is in a state of denial. OEU trials is the name of the game

Hey I gave the proff, you can only repeat "myths". LOL keep trying though...

[Rome]

Lol, you didnt prove anything, you copy pasted a quote about redflag from a forum, which was a direct copy from a quote on f-16.net, which was from strategypage.com

- And all this you copy pasted here has nothing to do with the Eurofighter beating the F-22, since this was OEU trials, read the sources in this thread

[EUcitizens]

- If you want to hear what US Congress has to say about the F-22, here is a link for you, its not a normal link, so I cant link it the normal way:

Senate Hearing on F-22 Fighter Jets

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq072506_senate.rm

(copy paste this link above into a browser, and you can watch a 2.23 hour long Congress hearing about the F-22)

[mr.euro(not logged in)]

The official denial from USA:

Aviation Week & Space Technology - 10/03/2005, page 23

Unconfirmed reports--that is, rumors-- making the rounds in European aerospace industry circles contend that Royal Air Force Eurofighter Typhoons, temporarily operating from Nellis AFB, Nev., were able to pick up U.S. Air Force F/A-22s on their radars, stealth notwithstanding.

Similar reports appeared during the 1991 Iraq war concerning the ability of British ships, using large radar arrays, to detect the F-117 and, in later conflicts, the B-2. U.S. officials confirm that the Typhoons were at Nellis to fly with the 422nd Test & Evaluation Sqdn.

However, they discount that the Typhoons had seen an F/A-22 in full-configuration stealth.

First, they say, the Typhoons and F/A-22s were never in the air at the same time.
Second, the F/A-22s always have an enhanced signature for positive air control, except when they go to war or when the range has been cleared for F/A-22-only operations"

[mr.euro(not logged in)]

So in short based on the other reports USAF officials confirm "that the Typhoons were at Nellis to fly with the 422nd Test & Evaluation Sqdn."

But they then add that radar lock on the F-22 stealth fighter in full-configuration stealth by the Typhoon, didnt happen, because while they had come to Nellis to fly with the 422nd Test & Evaluation Sqdn, the planes were never in the air at same time, and USAF then explain further, that the F/A-22s always have an enhanced signature for positive air control, except when they go to war or when the range has been cleared for F/A-22-only operations.

- The only way such 2 statements would ever make sence, would be if the Typhoon had tracked the F-22 from the ground, and USAF then claim this could only be done, because the F/A-22s always have an enhanced signature for positive air control, in shorth "USAF discount that the Typhoons had seen an F/A-22 in full-configuration stealth."

In short, this sounds like the official USAF (PR) explanation for why reports are saying the Typhoon had got a radarlock on an F-22.............Their story is, "not in the air same time", and when land/take off "the F-22 always have an enhanced signature for positive air control", for which reason reports that says/leak the Typhoon did get a radarlock on the F-22, can be countered with, it was unstealthed......

[DarthAmerica]

Gentlemen I could not help but to advise you all read a bit about what DACT is. Red Flag, Cope India and other exercises are not designed to test platforms against one another. These exercises exist to develop tactics and train pilots on situations they might encounter. They have learning objectives and are quite scripted. Also, for reasons of security all air forces are careful about what capabilities they reveal with regard to specific platforms. Even when working with allies. They set limits on altitude, speed, RCS enhancing devices are used on stealth platforms, radars are not operated in wartime configurations ect. You cannot use DACT as a measure of capability. How do you think F-5s and A-4s were able to dogfight with F-14s in Top Gun school?


-DA

[London]

welcome to the forum, DarthAmerica 

[London]

Here is a new video for Youtube about the Eurofighter Typhoon vs. the F-22 raptor:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDfz1dSciGE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDfz1dSciGE</a>

[EUcitizens]

Air Force Reports F-22 Crashed Near Military Base

The Associated Press - Fox News

March 25, 2009

EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE- One of the Air Force's top-of-the-line F-22 fighter jets crashed Wednesday in the high desert of Southern California, killing a test pilot for prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp.

The F-22A Raptor crashed at 10 a.m. about 35 miles northeast of Edwards Air Force Base in the Mojave Desert. The Bureau of Land Management identifies the area as Harper Dry Lake, a vast and empty expanse of sometimes marshy flat land.

The pilot was David Cooley, 49, a 21-year Air Force veteran who joined Lockheed Martin in 2003, the company said in a statement. It did not release any details of the accident, including whether Cooley attempted to eject.

A statement issued by Edwards said first responders transported Cooley from the crash scene to Victor Valley Community Hospital in Victorville, where he was pronounced dead.
Cooley, of Palmdale, Calif., was part of a team of company and Air Force pilots who conduct F-22 testing.

"We are deeply saddened by the loss of David and our concerns, thoughts and prayers at this time are with his family," the statement said.

Sam Grizzle, a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., said no additional information would be released.

A board of officers is investigating the crash, the Edwards statement said. The Air Force urged people to stay away from the site because hazardous materials may have been released.
"This is a very difficult day for Edwards and those who knew and respected Dave as a warrior, test pilot and friend," said Maj. Gen. David Eichhorn, the Air Force Flight Test Center commander.
The jet, assigned to the 411th Flight Test Squadron of Edwards' 412th Test Wing, was on a test mission, said Air Force Maj. David Small at the Pentagon. Small did not know the nature of the mission.

The radar-evading F-22s each cost $140 million and are designed for air dominance. The warplanes can carry air-to-air missiles but are capable of ground attack as well.

The $65 billion F-22 program is embattled, with some opponents contending that a different warplane under development, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, is more versatile and less costly at $80 million per plane.

F-22s were grounded for two weeks after one crashed at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada in December 2004. They were cleared again to fly after a review, and an Air Force statement at the time said officials were "highly confident in the design, testing and development" of the aircraft. The pilot in that crash successfully ejected.

The U.S. is committed to 183 F-22s, down from the original plan laid out in the 1980s to build 750.

Lockheed Martin says there are 95,000 jobs at 1,000 companies connected to the F-22.

It is trying to persuade the Pentagon to buy as many as 20 more F-22s. The military is expected to signal its intentions when the 2010 Defense Department budget is released next month.

The F-22 is able to fly at supersonic speeds without using afterburners. That allows it to reach and stay in a battlespace faster and longer without being easily detected.

The fighter, powered by two Pratt & Whitney engines, is 62 feet long, has a wingspan of 44½ feet and is flown by a single pilot.

[alan Bstard M P]

You aren't up on Cockney rhyming games, are you mate? An administrator may see an IP address, but what, if anything, does that have to with my home country? And why would he or she have such a keen interest in where I'm from or where I reside? I feel I've become a part in someone's childish game. I originally just read your post and thought it was awfully one-sided, and added my take. Sorry if it got you ruffled.

Cockney nursery rhymes.  Which one would yoy like?

[alan Bstard M P]

"bobsyouruncle" is an American

Priceless to listen to the made up story though 

"Bobs your Uncle " is a very English expression!

[EUcitizens]

"Bobs your Uncle " is a very English expression!

Perhaps, "Bobs your Uncle " is a very English expression, but "bob" wasnt "english" - the forum showed him to be located in USA, and a futher check showed he was using computers from Lockheed Martin. Perhaps a ban was to much, he was still interesting, but i doubt he will come back now anyway

[Ben]

Based on what spurious information? You're quite wrong, but humor me and state why you're making such a claim.

Haha, he's trying to make us believe he is not an American yet he spells 'humour' the American way!

Idiot. If he's employed by Lockheed Martin I am appalled that such a renowned company should employ someone who doesn't bother to do their job properly. Oh wait, Lockheed Martin suck, they're pride and joy was beaten by the Eurofighter...so I suppose it makes sense for them to employ prats.